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[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I love the inneries, man.
[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's cool because I think Chicano Batman could be a bandist misunderstood.
[00:00:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's important to shed light on that we're creating this movement.
[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Young fans, editors, it's like old fans, they taper off and we always get a regeneration of new fans.
[00:00:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So that's very inspiring, especially when you go to a new city and you keep seeing younger, younger faces.
[00:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like what is it that we're doing?
[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That makes people come back.
[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Or makes younger people show up.
[00:00:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, oh, that's something to not take for granted.
[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And as a band and a band, it's something to capitalize off of.
[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So yesterday I was talking to a bunch of fans and asked, what does Chicano Batman do you guys?
[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and they said, you know, it feels like home.
[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it feels like home to us when we listen to your music and I say wow, that's great.
[00:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Because you could be a band that has a great collection of songs.
[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But if you have a band that makes you feel like home then that's something else.
[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: So they like to do the bushel's up maybe in the morning.
[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, get your coffee, you know, scout out your breakfast spot.
[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Be under in the city.
[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_01]: If you want, you know, sounds like is that four?
[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Coach, I'm going to take four or five.
[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's six o'clock.
[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We have a VIP so we've been doing the VIPs in different cities where we have an opportunity to offer fans.
[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Select few fans like sign stuff and then we have a Q&A for like 30 minutes.
[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Ask as anything you want.
[00:01:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's giving access to the fans.
[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we also get to ask them questions.
[00:01:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very, it's a very honest, very chill.
[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, you know, and our later, we're hitting the stage or playing for now and
[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to have our 40 minutes.
[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to outsource one of my questions but in terms of like those fan questions you get anything.
[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_00]: I think really surprising and anything really caught you off guard.
[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Man, there are so many things that they say.
[00:02:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's something like something like, I like that you sing an English Spanish.
[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Because I talk in English and Spanish too.
[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's so simple and so subtle.
[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: But to somebody, it means the world to them.
[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh yeah, that's true.
[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: There are not a lot of bandicing in English and Spanish.
[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_01]: But because we talk in English and Spanish too, this is just very natural for us to put a song and however it is that we want to put it out.
[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that feels natural to us.
[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_01]: People talk about the beat.
[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We love the beat.
[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, all the sounds.
[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: The sounds.
[00:02:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so for us not music just to tell us what to say.
[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We love the sound.
[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: As those birds are doing whatever this birds are doing around here.
[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: They're black and they have orange.
[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: They have beautiful.
[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: They've always been curious to say somebody who's, you know, switches back between language is there a major difference between singing in English versus Spanish.
[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Most definitely 100%.
[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_01]: One is like you're asking to understand it and the other one she ain't.
[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Spanish is our love language.
[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we grew up speaking Spanish to our family.
[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's our first language.
[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: So when I'm speaking Spanish it's a love language.
[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so when we're like me friends, I sing a song called A Huda and like who does it song about cops killing one of my neighbors growing up.
[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Shot him in the back.
[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Left him on the floor and for him his mom's house.
[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Mom cannot come near him.
[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, four hours in the floor in front of his house.
[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is a bad circumstance.
[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that during the Black Lives Matter movement when I was really growing,
[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, man, we need to do a song that brings like black and brown and you need to do together.
[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's an overshot.
[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm going to do that song.
[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so then now we sing this song.
[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, it's so important that the elders also understand what the young generations are talking about.
[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because they have their songs from the past, you know, about love and about breakup and all this thing.
[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: But like our love songs now are about police brutality.
[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and for someone that I want to listen to that, like what do you listen to?
[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it okay?
[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: To provoke thinking, you know, in our love language, talking to everybody that like, you don't every get your message across to.
[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's important.
[00:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: For me, that's what that is.
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's quite a set this.
[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: What are love songs about police brutality?
[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So what aside from the fact that there's a match, what makes that a love song?
[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_01]: The ballad.
[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a ballad.
[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a beautiful ballad.
[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and if you're like, um, you know, if I wasn't talking about police brutality, I could be talking about my broken heart.
[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Or I could be talking about, you know, my longing for you.
[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I could be like, you wouldn't know, it would fit so perfectly.
[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, when you get the same genre and you put a different kind of story on there.
[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's provocative.
[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a mere evolutionary.
[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I think it's using the format that we're used to, you know?
[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: But using it for a different purpose.
[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I think that's what we try to do.
[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But you kind of, and a part of the different whole different songwriter himself.
[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so everybody comes with a different, and he writes songs in English and I understand.
[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like that.
[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: If you have a song and you have a certain corporation, you start singing.
[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, I sound like Roberto Carlos.
[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I sound like Leola and I sound like, like, you know, and it's just because it's in our blood.
[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just so naturally comes out, so naturally like, oh, this song sounds like the Losolita dios or whatever
[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: band that it is that we listen to growing up.
[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we just like, so we don't want to write a song in this thing.
[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_01]: It hits already.
[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I know the format.
[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I already know all the co-purgacies.
[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I know what it does.
[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I know that here's the part who goes, ah, for a long time because it's already been written for us.
[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like everything's been written for us already in music.
[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you use those choose.
[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: The elements that work for you for the song and the story you're trying to tell.
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is of the guy we think about a lot as a non musician myself,
[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_00]: is that, you know, in some senses, there's almost this like finite number of things that
[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_00]: you're trying upon.
[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And to me, though it was seem restrictive or it would seem difficult to do something that
[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_00]: feels new within these, you know, very like well-worn formats.
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's honestly like our crypto night.
[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like we're constantly trying to be like, yep, you thought you knew it, huh?
[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: They actually don't know it, you know?
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's actually honestly liberating because then we fight our whole lives
[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: trying to get out of the boxes that they put as a, you know, as Latino or as a Latino band.
[00:07:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like in the beginning it was really hard to shake off the whole.
[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you guys are a good band.
[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: A good band for being for Latinos.
[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You're a good, Latino band.
[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and we're like nobody asked us where are you saying that?
[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_00]: People would say like just like that nakedly racist to you.
[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they, they say it out of love, you know?
[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: But love and racism don't make it.
[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, like, people don't actually know what they're saying.
[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what they're saying.
[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like custom, sort of certain way of their socialized, for instance.
[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: On invisible people to English only, however, there's no Spanish songs.
[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We go to interviews and like we love your album.
[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_01]: What does it feel like to sing songs in English and Spanish?
[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll be like, I don't know.
[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: This is an English only album.
[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So you either didn't listen to it or because you're looking at us, you know, you are assuming that we're
[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_01]: something Spanish.
[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so this perception we have to fight perception all the time.
[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: So when you see us play and we're playing like a farm be during the song, some more like Janet Jackson.
[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: She's just like, what is this?
[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I thought this was like, you know, but you know, it is like we just happen to be like the human.
[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I should say it, man.
[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I keep asking for them.
[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't say it.
[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I go camping.
[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think like I like lot of tastes.
[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't say?
[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just proud and brown, you know, but like I like all that shit to me.
[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_01]: And I like sell them.
[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like what I do.
[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just like you might.
[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I put in the work.
[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got gifts.
[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I got gifts that I want to show the world, you know.
[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And sort of the rest of my band.
[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing.
[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not easy.
[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not easy.
[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: We put like masters degrees and careers on a hold.
[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_01]: We chuck them away.
[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They're done now.
[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: All those now that years from, you know, four years old to like 22 years old, 27 years old studying.
[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And we ended up doing music.
[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like it's a bigger calling.
[00:08:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like it has nothing.
[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like racism.
[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Pregnities.
[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_01]: All I should.
[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_01]: It can't do anything to it because we still get it going.
[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: We got the drive, man.
[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We got the drive more than anybody I know.
[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like your friends around, you know those guys that like,
[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_01]: or those women that like, they really are psyched about their craft.
[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, mad respect man, mad or you won't go back five to do that.
[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Dang, okay.
[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we're, we're psyched too.
[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's like it's the passion and not everybody can connect.
[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think for us, no big fantasy this album,
[00:09:24] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just a for us is just a display about man you should connect.
[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Go connect to what it is that you think you got to do because if you think you got to do it,
[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: you're closer to actually doing it.
[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: But you can psych yourself out and never do it because the social norms are like,
[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: dude, why are you going to start doing that?
[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even going to pay you.
[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's always come down to money and it's placing society and what people are going to think of you,
[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you know that.
[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But then you know, then you silence a little voice inside of you back.
[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: That's been since I was in elementary school.
[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: There were weirdos, there were weirdos voice.
[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, everyone's got a little weirdo voice but you know,
[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: we love to smash it.
[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We like to smash the poetry out of the church.
[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Man, you got to buy a car, you got to get a lease.
[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to get, you know, you got to pay rent, you got to get insurance.
[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You got all this societal stuff, you know,
[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: that the nuts and bolts of like, where makes,
[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: where makes this capitalist, you know,
[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_01]: go around the round.
[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, that's our culture.
[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and people don't, it's really hard.
[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: What's you caught up in that, and social media,
[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: they're just overman.
[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, like capitalism is the roots of our new generation.
[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I, oh, you're a gritty but also, you know,
[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, I assume that like growing up where you grew up,
[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, that you saw a lot of people struggle with that.
[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_00]: So it, you know, and there is,
[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_00]: it's important still at the same time to be pragmatic about
[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_00]: these sorts of things, you know?
[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you do at a very base level like you do need to survive.
[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Going up, I didn't see anybody struggle.
[00:10:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because we're on the same, you know?
[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You go to the pool.
[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's going to pool having a good time, public pool.
[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, living in the projects, you know,
[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just like we're on the projects.
[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_01]: It's go play, the sons out, let's go outside and play, you know?
[00:11:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, there's a gunshot, let's go back inside.
[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's gotta go back inside.
[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, it's like, you know, people are welfare,
[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_01]: like, so are we, like, you know, everyone's playing food stamps.
[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just everyone's speaking Spanish, you know?
[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see no, I didn't see no suffering, you know?
[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and not until I go to college,
[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm like, one of eight percent, you know, of Latino in the whole university,
[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and it predominantly Latino in the neighborhood in South Central.
[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And you start questioning, you're a bit of a question, you know?
[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And then when you're a pinning and class, you know,
[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: about something that you're finally at the guts to say,
[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: your conscientious mind is being developed and college,
[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, with all these deep and there's an idea
[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that you have to gut to say it out in your classroom and your own teachers
[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like, be literally in you.
[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're just like, okay, motherfucker.
[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Then I got to be good at what I'm good at,
[00:11:56] [SPEAKER_01]: so you cannot beat down.
[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so all that kind of thing is just like, man,
[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta be sharp at what I'm already sharp at.
[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: New big?
[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you can never touch me.
[00:12:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm music.
[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, maybe you may be a $250,
[00:12:10] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe you drive this, maybe having that is a car,
[00:12:12] [SPEAKER_01]: but do when I play guitar,
[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm tapped into my soul and I don't see anything in that shit.
[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So you can never take that away from me.
[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so those are those types of things that you keep to yourself.
[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and as you go older,
[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: then you know, we're battling in this Anglo rock system,
[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, of festivals and touring, you know,
[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: that kind of thing.
[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we did one time and we,
[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: we consciously rebranded our band instead of like,
[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because the public would be like,
[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_01]: you guys are Latin psychedelic soul band.
[00:12:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay? Whatever. It's fine.
[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But then we're like, do,
[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_01]: we're told about vocarian management.
[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: They look, don't, you're not going to call ourselves a Latin psychedelic soul band anymore.
[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to call ourselves a rock band.
[00:12:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And so then we did that within months,
[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: man, we're getting off to play festivals,
[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_01]: so put a bit of a check while we're getting like,
[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: the big take it stuff.
[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Just in the rebrand, you know?
[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we've been able to do good.
[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, because we're an electric live band.
[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, seeing as life is a whole different experience.
[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: The album is, I love all our albums. They're amazing.
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But seeing as life, we take it to the next level and that's like,
[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that's what you want to see.
[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's what you want to do.
[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, live in the moment and fly a fly with your material.
[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, so yeah,
[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like, you know, our band is,
[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, we got a Samoenka, we got a, you know, a black dude.
[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We got like three Latinos.
[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're a pure pure pure sea band.
[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But chose your eyes, you know?
[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're just aliens, man.
[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It's this kind of blindest thing is color blind man.
[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of soul.
[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think for us,
[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that's how we fight this prejudice, racism shit.
[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Just put that, put that soul out there.
[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You put that soul out there is an equivalent.
[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You can't tell me that my soul is not,
[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, comforting.
[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's, you know, it's like love, man.
[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like people, one time somebody asked me,
[00:13:56] [SPEAKER_01]: what's so psychedelic about your combat man now?
[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like psychedelic.
[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you know,
[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: in the beginning was like the delays of ex,
[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: like the tone, the reverb,
[00:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that was psychedelic.
[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But having done this 16 years and have kids now getting married,
[00:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: growing there's a gen Z that's like dominating now before in 2008
[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: when we started that was not the thing.
[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We were the young ones, you know?
[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be 42 next month.
[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, like,
[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about it.
[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you know what the psychedelic is?
[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's love.
[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_01]: It's love.
[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Because psychedelics, the coach and the Sephoraic place.
[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you ever done psychedelics,
[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, you're on a shroom,
[00:14:33] [SPEAKER_01]: just like man, deep thought everything's loose.
[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like acid.
[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I've never done acid but it's not that visual thing.
[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like internal.
[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like,
[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_01]: it really transforms like the way you feel and perceive.
[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, once you get off of it,
[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: you're kind of on it forever.
[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Your perspective has kind of been changed forever.
[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think she kind of Batman,
[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_01]: our psychedelic, like thing is love, man.
[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a lot of love in the music.
[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of love in the stories.
[00:15:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of love in the fanbings.
[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So all that feels love when I play.
[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I feel.
[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: And that,
[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't break that really easily.
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So our band is protected.
[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I got the sense when you were discussing,
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: you know, being in school that maybe part of what drove you is that
[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: you felt like you had to do better.
[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And you had to be better than other people.
[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_00]: That you had to prove it.
[00:15:24] [SPEAKER_00]: That you had to prove that you were capable of all these things.
[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a drive man.
[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, you're just a tool man.
[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He's working for one of them.
[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Did good enough.
[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and there's a huge thing between the big difference you've been doing
[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and being great, you know?
[00:15:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't want to be good.
[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Good is just going to get to an office man.
[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you graduated a straight.
[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone I graduated college, I was like man.
[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Is this it?
[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I'm happy with man.
[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm supposed to get a master's now or get a financial.
[00:15:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just 21.
[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm 21.
[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've been thinking about this moment since like I've been five years old.
[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And now it's here.
[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what am I going to do?
[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So I just, I went and I go study abroad in Brazil.
[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that language.
[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I know the culture.
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing else.
[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to put myself in a situation where I don't know anything about.
[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to experience something for the first time.
[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I never experienced before.
[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Beach towns, I love the idea by the beach.
[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: I went there for eight months, you know?
[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And it changed my whole perspective, my whole life, you know?
[00:16:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And then like that, and that's when I came back to the States and was like man.
[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's just fighting man.
[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's just fighting for position, the hierarchy, you know?
[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, and, and, and, and, you know, again, you know, like in LA,
[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like, LA, but then it, LA, but then it is huge.
[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you know?
[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people don't understand it's like, like, yeah, we're Latino, but like in LA,
[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: in the United States we're not American, you know?
[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So you gotta be white to be American, right?
[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So then we go to Mexico and Mexico we're not Mexican.
[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We're from North America.
[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_01]: We're from the United States.
[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're brought to something else, but Mexican.
[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So when we're not American and we're not Mexican, they were old.
[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And what you got about that?
[00:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're building the gaps.
[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then filling the gaps, it's not about like,
[00:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just about finding confidence yourself.
[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm going to do what it is that you,
[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you're, you're meant to do what you're like.
[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_00]: I've heard you and I've heard everybody, everybody,
[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_00]: we had talk about this quite a bit.
[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this kind of gets back to your initial point about the movement
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_00]: that you're describing and the younger fans is,
[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_00]: in part this kind of representation that they're not seeing somewhere else.
[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But how does that play out with Mexican fans in Mexico?
[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_00]: How do they relate to that?
[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Maniacs.
[00:17:41] Maniacs.
[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: These sort of things, like the laws don't apply over there.
[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They're these, these, over there, it's just, you know,
[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_01]: it's our music and our music.
[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have something from LA.
[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what they love? They love being talked to in English too.
[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because they're like, we know English.
[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_01]: We know English.
[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: They want to connect with us too, where we're talking in Spanish.
[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: But we're talking Spanish.
[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They just melt.
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, the killers don't do that.
[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Jack White won't do that.
[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, all these bands, like, you know,
[00:18:12] [SPEAKER_01]: when you say, like,
[00:18:14] [SPEAKER_01]: well, let me hint there.
[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm just like, what's up with my people?
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a direct connect.
[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're here, we're home.
[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, bro, when my grandpa lives 12 hours away from where I'm playing,
[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, yet he will never be able to come see me because he's a farmer.
[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying? He has land to 10 to 4.
[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to literally go buy his thing and, you know,
[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: set him up, like, buy him clothes to come to the city.
[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, you know, that's what Mexico means.
[00:18:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I got a lot of poor family, you know,
[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_01]: and like a small boy or a mehiko.
[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yet we got this, like, you know, Chicano Baman.
[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a big band going to play at the city.
[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_01]: From the origin of, like, where my family left to go make a better life in the thousands.
[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_01]: It's really complicated.
[00:18:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Super complicated, you know?
[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_01]: But the fans are young and they're also hungry.
[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're now open to like new, new things, man.
[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in Mexico, yeah, for the fans, all we have is maniac love and support.
[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they love our songs. They can identify too.
[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, with La Juda.
[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the cop situation is way worse than Mexico than it is in the United States.
[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_01]: So they've told me, like, the hood, it hits home.
[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the appearances, you know, the cartels,
[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: politics and corruption.
[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, this is like, this song is like, belong to Mexico.
[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know? And I'm like, that's awesome.
[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, songs of longing or a real love relationships.
[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone can relate to that.
[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're in Spanish.
[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And also, you make it accessible for a different population to,
[00:19:45] [SPEAKER_01]: to link into it to fall up with it.
[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: How do you talk to your grandfather about what you do?
[00:19:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, in a lot of ways, it's like you're inhabiting an entirely different world.
[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like...
[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: One time, one time, the first time we played in Mexico,
[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_01]: we actually didn't bring my grandpa, you know,
[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: how to state his de force even is, and that whole thing.
[00:20:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And just like, lived it up. And you know what?
[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: They brought two big o boxes of Mongols and another box of something called Tapotte.
[00:20:10] [SPEAKER_01]: From their tree, they took it through the bus,
[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and they took it through the old town,
[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: showed up to the old town with boxes of fruit men.
[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And anybody that has a Latino or Mexican family,
[00:20:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what that means.
[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I got a man's house in Boyo Heights,
[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I grew up in Boyo Heights in LA.
[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And...
[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Poor.
[00:20:30] [SPEAKER_01]: But they went to the church on Sunday
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and they got a bunch of free food professionals
[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that were giving away.
[00:20:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And then they called me like, hey,
[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_01]: come over here and get your boxes, so I go on there.
[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They mean my boxes, they don't got money, but they did redistributing the wealth that they do have.
[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, either in a dog cook for us,
[00:20:46] [SPEAKER_01]: to give us free stuff, that kind of thing.
[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know? That's the experience, you know?
[00:20:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And so my grandpa,
[00:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you know when I talk about...
[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I remember when you played and...
[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and we played in Guadalajara in Mexico,
[00:21:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and he also took a flight for the first time,
[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_01]: took a flight for Mexico to Guadalajara.
[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_01]: He's already like 86, taking a flight for the first time.
[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You know? Short flight.
[00:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: But then he's just like, I remember the time
[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_01]: when you took me to see the world, that's where he told me.
[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And the world is just, you know, a couple cities in his own country,
[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's still a world.
[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And he started laughing.
[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was just a great anecdote.
[00:21:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like when I took my grandpa to see the world,
[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: which kind of that man.
[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And he just two cities in his own country,
[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, that very popular city, then.
[00:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was...
[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I opened up the world inside him.
[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He started up. He was crying.
[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_01]: He was like literally standing.
[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like everybody stand up,
[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you'd be the first person to stand.
[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, do my grandpa's a very shy man.
[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Very quiet, timid man.
[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that he's up clapping
[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's like tearing,
[00:21:49] [SPEAKER_01]: as he's watching his grandson play,
[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, you don't ever expect that any of your,
[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: your family's gonna be called a rock star.
[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You know? But now it like, you know,
[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and there I mean,
[00:21:58] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a screaming house of like a thousand fans,
[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_01]: First time in Mexico we're like,
[00:22:02] [SPEAKER_01]: even though it's a emotion or like,
[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you guys really do love us.
[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know I'd be here.
[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of surprises come out of that,
[00:22:09] [SPEAKER_01]: especially for my grandpa.
[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I opened up his world in,
[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and I can die,
[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and he could probably die,
[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_01]: like, in a certain kind of comfort zone,
[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_01]: knowing that,
[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, we had that kind of satisfaction.
[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Your father was a school teacher, correct?
[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_00]: When you had this conversation with him,
[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and when, you know,
[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you had gone through the process of,
[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're studying urban planning
[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and then you decided,
[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_00]: actually know like,
[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: music.
[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the thing that I want to do.
[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Was he, how supportive was he?
[00:22:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I was mad.
[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_00]: You mad.
[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: My dad's like a Vietnam vet for me,
[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And he came back on a GI Bill,
[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: and he went to UCLA,
[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: study philosophy.
[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Came a second grade teacher
[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and made with California for like 25 years,
[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_01]: or whatever.
[00:22:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And he's a brick and mortar guy,
[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: very traditional,
[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: maybe boomer.
[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It had always been about,
[00:23:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and my teeth died.
[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's, with my dad,
[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I've always been about,
[00:23:04] [SPEAKER_01]: you gotta, you gotta do the thing,
[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:23:08] [SPEAKER_01]: the graduate from this,
[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the, the, the, the, the job with that.
[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_01]: The, this very traditional,
[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, so I grew up traditional too,
[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, because you don't want to disappoint parents.
[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: At a certain level,
[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't want to disappoint parents, you know?
[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like,
[00:23:20] [SPEAKER_01]: some people shake it off early,
[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: some people never shake it off,
[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, but like,
[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, having the,
[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_01]: having the acceptance of your parents
[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_01]: is kind of a deal man,
[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_01]: as a big deal to a lot of people,
[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: especially when you don't have confidence
[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: or like,
[00:23:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't really have a direction.
[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to feel love from somewhere man,
[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't want to ever feel alone
[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because,
[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: because you know,
[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of resentment,
[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of rage, a lot of frustration,
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: you feel alone.
[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of,
[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: things become quite impossible.
[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So when I told my dad,
[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like,
[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: it was just words for me
[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_01]: because I'm like,
[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm decided like,
[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_01]: this is,
[00:23:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually proud of like,
[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: man,
[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy that my dad's not going to come in
[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_01]: and go back and my job
[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_01]: because like,
[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I already gave him my,
[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: my,
[00:23:55] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like a two month notice,
[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like,
[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I just got already gave my notice.
[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm out.
[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_01]: So my dad had to accept,
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: he had to accept.
[00:24:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I give props,
[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like,
[00:24:06] [SPEAKER_01]: as parents, parents got to evolve too, man.
[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like,
[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you don't always,
[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_01]: especially a kid at some point.
[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_01]: As someone,
[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone's adults and everybody makes decisions for themselves.
[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And so,
[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: be me,
[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_01]: me being a parent after,
[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_01]: four year old kid,
[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to morph.
[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to change to do things that I probably don't like.
[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's going to be cool, man.
[00:24:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be cool how I see myself react and how I see myself,
[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_01]: not be my father,
[00:24:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the cool things.
[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like,
[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: the cool thing about being a parent is just,
[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_01]: you get a chance that to be like your own parents.
[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's a very conscious thing because in the DNA,
[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_01]: it's already there.
[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You're reaction,
[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like the way,
[00:24:41] [SPEAKER_01]: your perception.
[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the,
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not my dad,
[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not my dad or my mom.
[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I see things very differently.
[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah,
[00:24:48] [SPEAKER_01]: it's very hard.
[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Very hard to go up against the system.
[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_01]: All of our,
[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: all of our families,
[00:24:51] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_01]: like we had all this education,
[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and debt,
[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're just like,
[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: man,
[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: we're not going to worry about that man.
[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We've got one life.
[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And right now it's like everything is music is time-based,
[00:25:01] [SPEAKER_01]: very time-sensitive.
[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_01]: your emotions, your stories are very time-sensitive.
[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You put them out right now,
[00:25:05] [SPEAKER_01]: it makes sense.
[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Put them out three years,
[00:25:07] [SPEAKER_01]: may not make as much sense.
[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't feel it in three years.
[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so you got to put it out when you can.
[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: there's a business support to release a music and stuff like that,
[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_01]: which is getting super dicey,
[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: very expensive,
[00:25:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Not every bank and tour.
[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:25:20] [SPEAKER_01]: you come back with a deficit,
[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_01]: even big banks can't tour.
[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know it like the black keys cancel the tour,
[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's just one selling.
[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like the black keys are canceling tours.
[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And scary man.
[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's like,
[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: that's like a big band, you know?
[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a weird state,
[00:25:35] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's where, like,
[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the parent part,
[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:25:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that voice,
[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like,
[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_01]: the cost of goods are going up,
[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_01]: everything's going up,
[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: but the ticket sale price.
[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:25:46] [SPEAKER_01]: taking a shitload of money from our tickets,
[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,
[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the venues are taking 25% of our soft goods,
[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_01]: 10% of our hard goods.
[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_01]: so, you know,
[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: management companies,
[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_01]: bookers, business managers,
[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_01]: taking a cut,
[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_01]: uncles, apps taking a big cut.
[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So, literally,
[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: the business model,
[00:26:02] [SPEAKER_01]: at some point,
[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't make any sense anymore.
[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: But here you are,
[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_01]: releasing another record,
[00:26:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and putting it into this model,
[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,
[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you do have such a crisis in moments of like,
[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: now,
[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: we really do hear the business of music.
[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It's dicey man.
[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: all we want to do is create music,
[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: man and play.
[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think every,
[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_01]: every artist that grows into the business of it,
[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: struggles,
[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: at some point with,
[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: with, you know,
[00:26:25] [SPEAKER_01]: making adjustments,
[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: not playing so much or having to play more,
[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: or getting back on the road,
[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_01]: or saying no to things,
[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: so you can say yes to the bigger prices.
[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_01]: There's all those tips,
[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: all those different things,
[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: timing,
[00:26:38] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff to start a new control.
[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:26:40] [SPEAKER_01]: going viral is a new one.
[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's annoying.
[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Our super annoying man.
[00:26:45] [SPEAKER_00]: I have to imagine that the,
[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: pandemic brought all of this stuff to the front too.
[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was incredibly difficult time to be a musician.
[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know,
[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: we had a tour scheduled
[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: and an album released for May of 2020.
[00:27:00] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we were all locked down with said,
[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you know what, man?
[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything on the slingshot is just let it go, man.
[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like,
[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_01]: we worked so hard about a year and a half to get this,
[00:27:07] [SPEAKER_01]: for like,
[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I just crushed through this pandemic, man.
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we're the band that I feel that I've did most zooms,
[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_01]: most bad performance.
[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We did like co bear show and we did all these other things
[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_01]: like to zoom.
[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: At first, I mean,
[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: super time I had a baby had an infant at the same time.
[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So I did bar-lo.
[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We had infants two weeks and we're like doing interviews for like two hours,
[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: babies crying in the back,
[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: that whole thing.
[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was very exhausting.
[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we had a cancer tour till about a year and a half later,
[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And then different in your masks
[00:27:37] [SPEAKER_01]: at the shows.
[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's all that stuff was really weird,
[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but you know,
[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_01]: it did bridge a gap,
[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_01]: a huge gap in technology and like us having the interview right now.
[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_01]: we weren't doing this before the pandemic at all.
[00:27:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's kind of a social norm.
[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, now it's almost like,
[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_01]: bro are you in LA?
[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Cause if so,
[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_01]: we could be there to cafe, man.
[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like, let's admit a person, man.
[00:27:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this whole,
[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_01]: a zoom thing.
[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It took a total of all of us.
[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: After all,
[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I would do no more zoom interviews, man.
[00:28:01] [SPEAKER_01]: This is like,
[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_01]: go a soul-sucking, man.
[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like we're doing a stack every day
[00:28:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's just like the screen and the whole thing.
[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the tape performances,
[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like 20 minutes,
[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_01]: but you really spend in three and a half hours.
[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_01]: to set it up,
[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_01]: align it,
[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, do that whole thing,
[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the split screen,
[00:28:17] [SPEAKER_01]: all that very,
[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_01]: very laborious.
[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But the pandemic changed a lot of things.
[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It also knocked out a lot of small bands,
[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_01]: That were underhup.
[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And venues knocked out some venues.
[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And it probably restructured like,
[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: these big players at top of the Golden Voice
[00:28:34] [SPEAKER_01]: and the live nations and monopoly,
[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the monopoly,
[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_01]: the biggest,
[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: because those who had the money survived
[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_01]: and those who didn't,
[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_01]: they got bought out.
[00:28:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So now we're living in that system post-pandemic system
[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: of,
[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: the business.
[00:28:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know?
[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: It's daunting,
[00:28:52] [SPEAKER_01]: but I believe that
[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: it's just like if you just put your head down
[00:28:55] [SPEAKER_01]: and you stick to the music, man.
[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be fine.
[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_00]: One positive that I can immediately see for you
[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_00]: and Bartow at the same time
[00:29:01] [SPEAKER_00]: is like,
[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: it's tough to be apparent
[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and to be a touring musician
[00:29:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and there's a lot that you missed,
[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_00]: but you were able to have those moments
[00:29:09] [SPEAKER_00]: with your child
[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_00]: because you had to be home.
[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And there's two sides of that
[00:29:16] [SPEAKER_01]: because my wife had terrible post-partum depression
[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: right?
[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm,
[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and the whole thing.
[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_01]: So, and then we didn't have support.
[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Even though we're now laying our families in LA,
[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_01]: you know how support
[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: because don't touch my baby
[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_01]: because he might die.
[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you might get COVID.
[00:29:29] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of misinformation,
[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of fear.
[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And so especially when my son was born
[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: in April 14th of 2020,
[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_01]: so I was like,
[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_01]: one month after he locked down.
[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And we had a homework,
[00:29:38] [SPEAKER_01]: which luckily that saved us
[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: from having to go to the hospital
[00:29:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and we haven't been waiting in the lobby
[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_01]: while my wife was getting a C session
[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_01]: or some crazy shit.
[00:29:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah,
[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: there was a lot more C sessions being done
[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_01]: because people aren't getting out out.
[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,
[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_01]: we skipped all that,
[00:29:55] [SPEAKER_01]: but at the same time it was very lonely
[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and very tiring.
[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know,
[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_01]: the grandma was not around.
[00:30:00] [SPEAKER_01]: It was very lonely.
[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: However,
[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't go on tour.
[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: I was supposed to go on tour that April.
[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: When he was just like four,
[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: three weeks old.
[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't go on tour.
[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I actually stayed home for like a solid year and a half
[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_01]: like paternal leave,
[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And now my bond to my kid is as strong as ever.
[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And I can't believe that I'm a touring musician
[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_01]: with a bond so strong to my kid.
[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Even when I go,
[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_01]: my kid,
[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_01]: I tell my kid,
[00:30:23] [SPEAKER_01]: ahead of time and he understands where I'm going.
[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I do face someone from venues,
[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: green rooms,
[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the bus.
[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_01]: What's how you play today, Daddy?
[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And his life is,
[00:30:30] [SPEAKER_01]: his body is going to take off his shirt.
[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_01]: He's just never the culture of it.
[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_01]: he knows the culture of everything I do.
[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's my dream too
[00:30:36] [SPEAKER_01]: because I always thought that I always lived
[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to life when I go on tour when I come home.
[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But now I can't.
[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be one life.
[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And the more I can,
[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah,
[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you have to drop that barrier every fucking day
[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_01]: because it's like that barrier can get higher and higher
[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and then you're just,
[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you're far from home for a long time.
[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_01]: So, and there's so much cushion happening
[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_01]: to fans,
[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_01]: the crew, the music,
[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like,
[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, my kids sick,
[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: he has a fever.
[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: They're okay.
[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what can you do?
[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Nothing. Oh, my God.
[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was going to pick him up.
[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_01]: How could you have to take your day off?
[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you got to stay in tune, man.
[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to stay in tune and be empathetic
[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_01]: before it's going on at home.
[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like they have a schedule
[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: follow their schedule too.
[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're on the East Coast,
[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like,
[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you know,
[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: 8 a.m.
[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_01]: for you is 5 a.m. at home.
[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You literally have two schedules, man.
[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And um,
[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's a concept effort that I personally
[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: wanted to make like now.
[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to have one life, man.
[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to have one life.
[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been sober for about seven years.
[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: From drinking alcohol.
[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: That's helped a lot in clarity.
[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the story.
[00:31:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Anything you don't get missed calls.
[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You call people back.
[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_01]: that for your compromises.
[00:31:38] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things that's
[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that's a variety.
[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Does that you understand?
[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Ask big questions.
[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, what more you can do.
[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, you put yourself in uncomfortable situations
[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_01]: so that you could be comfortable later.
[00:31:49] [SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of that has helped.
[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know,
[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I told the guys, man,
[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a kid and when I come home from
[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_01]: to I want to bring positivity.
[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: So you guys,
[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_01]: can we just like have the most fun we possibly
[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: can have on tour?
[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You guys want to do that?
[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a conscious decision.
[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah,
[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: let's just have fun, man.
[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Then let's settle all our busy four
[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_01]: get to the bus, man.
[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Or the van.
[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just be up.
[00:32:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not be passive aggressive.
[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And we've literally had exercises of this.
[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Not be passive aggressive.
[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Telling directly who you want to talk to about your issues.
[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:32:17] [SPEAKER_01]: don't blow up.
[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, as you're thought if you blow up,
[00:32:21] [SPEAKER_01]: you had a chance many days before to say something.
[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So these tools of communication
[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: have been really useful for us so that
[00:32:27] [SPEAKER_01]: we can have an amazing time out here and go home with Grace.
[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_01]: go home with Grace and pour his energy.
[00:32:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, to share with our family this thing out here is real life.
[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not this thing's tired.
[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so glad to be home.
[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: All this things like, no,
[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I had a great time.
[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And now I have this great time with you.
[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I have this energy that I bought home with you.
[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So the whole pandemic,
[00:32:46] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, that made music positive
[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_01]: because otherwise I would've been gone.
[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh,
[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: he's gone again,
[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, for a month.
[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and I'm over here having to do all this by myself.
[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_01]: All that resentment.
[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad there's a pandemic.
[00:32:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Give me a break to not have that resentment
[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_01]: about music and what it is for a musician.
[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_00]: This ability to really kind of be proactive about
[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_00]: that about your relationships and about dealing with those
[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_00]: those issues upfront.
[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's a direct result of the past four years.
[00:33:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[00:33:15] 100%.
[00:33:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because there's this thing in our band like when we don't talk to each other,
[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_01]: we could start hitting each other.
[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_01]: We started renting fights.
[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was going to talk to me.
[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably doing his own thing.
[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_01]: These better than me.
[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Competition, right?
[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_01]: We are so highly competitive men.
[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and we've been in the for six years.
[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_01]: So we find how to make it work.
[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, when someone's writing five songs, seven songs,
[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like, damn, I'm having a song.
[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I better get my life.
[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who's songs?
[00:33:46] [SPEAKER_01]: No, they're not ready yet.
[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, damn, this guy is not going to show me for like six more months.
[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm like, man, that means all the songs are going to be the next record.
[00:33:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I better start writing.
[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and all these types of things.
[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, and ends up being this communal thing when we actually get together.
[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And then it diffuses everything.
[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_01]: So in the pandemic, we weren't talking.
[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_01]: We had kids and I hadn't talked to somebody for like a month or two months.
[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, man,
[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you talk about the old trauma that you haven't, you have never touched.
[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: It comes to the forefront.
[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And you start getting mad.
[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I remember being mad at Bartel and just like, one day I called him on my April.
[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't talked in a long time and like, it's already getting mad at you dude.
[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I have this for seven hours, like, but you know what, you haven't done anything to me.
[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, he's like, me too.
[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel the same way.
[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh my god, they're really?
[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we really have zero business getting mad at each other right now.
[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: We're busy.
[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You have kids as a pandemic.
[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I've never seen like, dude, you want to be friends dude?
[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what he's like, yeah.
[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, let's be friends.
[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't, we don't have any bees, bro.
[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like why are we creating bees from her bees?
[00:34:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, man, I don't want to do that either.
[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, dude, let's not do that in the more man.
[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: We could be friends, bro.
[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's check in, let's be friends.
[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you're a business partner, you've been together.
[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You're literally brothers.
[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And not our brothers, friends.
[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[00:35:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you're like chosen ones to be together.
[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_01]: That's how we go to get a band of them.
[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_01]: We're so randomly three different people.
[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I say, like, once a basketball court, once a melon and the other one's a boat.
[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like we just make it work, man.
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it works good.
[00:35:20] [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of tension and release in our band
[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: that dynamic as people that translates to the music.
[00:35:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like this, it's amazing, man.
[00:35:28] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the synergy is amazing.
[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_01]: So, we always have that and we're constantly like,
[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_01]: someone has an issue, man.
[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just go dress it.
[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's based off these conversations from their pandemic.
[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm the one that I champion a lot of that.
[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I like tackling it in the film, the room.
[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_01]: I like asking the hard questions.
[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Just because it's just an opportunity for us to grow.
[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, or to talk about something that nobody wants to talk about.
[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I love all that.
[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: This compliment, I thrive on that.
[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's an element to,
[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_00]: it's kind of a cliche to say,
[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: but like of like toxic masculinity, right?
[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_00]: And of like hiding your feelings and not being up front about it.
[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_00]: And it's great that you were really able to push through it.
[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not addressing those things.
[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what leads to problems.
[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And I assume that's what breaks up a lot of bands.
[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: You go a lot of pride.
[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I want my shake too.
[00:36:19] [SPEAKER_01]: You're getting all the spotlight.
[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, one thing that bands is like,
[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and if I can give some advice to people that are listening
[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that are in bands and have issues,
[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like, you got to know your role.
[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to know your role.
[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a basketball fan.
[00:36:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, saying there's, there's gather centers.
[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And, and throw them to the ballman.
[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Throw them to the ball, there's seven full one.
[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They got to get a six for three on it.
[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to make it.
[00:36:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you keep making up, keep throwing it back in.
[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: And to fend.
[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody else has the ball.
[00:36:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to fend.
[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're not, if you're not a lead singer,
[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_01]: then you're really not going to be the star of the thing.
[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So, so you could be a star though.
[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can be the best six men come off the bench.
[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: There's not no shame in that.
[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You could be like, you know, a passer.
[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Take passer.
[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: You could be a sick passer.
[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_01]: So all these things you just don't always eat the ball.
[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So this one thing is like, do you front men?
[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_01]: He's your star man.
[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Give them all the, all the spotlight that he needs.
[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because 95% of everybody's listening watching them anyways.
[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you support that, then you all succeed.
[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Just know that you played good too.
[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And you need to play good for him to feel good.
[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_01]: To deliver that.
[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So everybody has a role, not everybody has the ball in time.
[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: And you should be content with that.
[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you think Banner democracies, you're in for a good.
[00:37:44] [SPEAKER_01]: A band of the honor of your democracy man.
[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're all over here like social justice folks.
[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Like we, we, you know, we're all about politics, you know?
[00:37:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Fairness.
[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're conscious about all these different things.
[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_01]: But Bans are not the democracies man.
[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a creative entity.
[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's where the voice lies, who knows where it defoses.
[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_01]: But we, whoever has the voice, you got to support that because, you know?
[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_01]: It's going with a stream.
[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like going with a flow.
[00:38:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Because swimming upstream for fairness.
[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It ends up being a process that you end up not liking.
[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And when you don't end up liking a process, your fans are not going to
[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: play key to product.
[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's just a big problem.
[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I was reading an interview that you did around,
[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and I don't know if you would say like solo project or side project or how you
[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: would classify that.
[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But they made an interesting comparison, which is, you know, like in the context of
[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Chicano Batman a lot of times you're kind of like maybe standing on the side
[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_00]: and in this project you're standing, you know, literally in the center.
[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a big shift in, in dynamic.
[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_00]: Like your role really changes between those projects.
[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, most definitely.
[00:38:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Most definitely.
[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And I love them all.
[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, um, another thing.
[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's advice for anybody that's like, like for me, you know,
[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a multifaceted musician.
[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Like artists.
[00:39:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I dwell in in Columbia,
[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that's my bread and butter.
[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love Columbia, I believe that's in my blood.
[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a band that I dedicate myself to that.
[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a song called a Montana and Chicano Batman that I play in.
[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's a Columbia.
[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_01]: And when it's time for me to go up there and take over the mic,
[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_01]: I go to the center of the stage and I serenate everybody with a smile
[00:39:22] [SPEAKER_01]: with infection through.
[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I shake my hips.
[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I smile.
[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, we're here together, aren't we?
[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and everybody gets it, you know?
[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's my moment to shine.
[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_01]: In the past, there would be a competition between Barther and I
[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_01]: because it might turn to shine now, you know?
[00:39:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But because we're cool, 2020, we're like, alright, bro.
[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Do your thing.
[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Go get them.
[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to go get them.
[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, it's just like,
[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like, again, back to basketball.
[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, pivot and Jordan.
[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Kobe Shack.
[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_01]: There's never been a team where one guy dominates everything.
[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Never.
[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Never.
[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and if you do, you get to the conference final
[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like the Brunney and the bluesy.
[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, or like, even in an ironsent, you know?
[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't get past the, you know, the lakers.
[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but he took him there.
[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: He basically took him all the way there.
[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_01]: And, but it's like, you know, when someone, someone else has got a step up
[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's where I come in and I'm confident.
[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And then once he gave me that love and that trust,
[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: then I go over there, no holes bar.
[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to bring his house down.
[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I gave him the bag, the base bag,
[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and he's giving me high fire like doing that.
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: She was crazy.
[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, right, that was nuts.
[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We did it.
[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I go back to being a base pair
[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and support my boy.
[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Now he's a singer again, you know?
[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And it took a lot of years and maturity.
[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_01]: It takes a lot of years and maturity.
[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Because at some point, you're doing something that, like,
[00:40:38] [SPEAKER_01]: oh, I want to spot that.
[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they try to get it from you.
[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've had the chance to evolve
[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and reinvent ourselves of humans, you know?
[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_01]: And I think we all have the opportunity to reinvent ourselves.
[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, some people take it.
[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Some people don't, you know?
[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what it is.
[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And oh yeah.
[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_01]: So as an artist that has multifaceted, like,
[00:40:58] [SPEAKER_01]: if you can get all yours in and one bag
[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and go start another band,
[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_01]: go be pretty close to start doing something else, man.
[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Go pain, man.
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Go do botany, man.
[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Like do something else to fulfill your soul, man.
[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're trying to put all your eggs in one basket
[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_01]: and this poor democracy of a band,
[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to be for a lot of grease, man.
[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of, you know, you don't want to build resentment
[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_01]: and something else supposed to be harmony between people
[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_01]: and frequency and love and like music is that.
[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's spirituality.
[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're coming in with like a bad formula
[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: into the spirituality sphere,
[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to suffer.
[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_00]: When you were talking about this discussion
[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_00]: that the tear of your having
[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_00]: and you said, let's be friends,
[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_00]: I initially took that as being almost like,
[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_00]: like, figurative,
[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_00]: but it sounds like it was really just as simple
[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_00]: as you sang something like that
[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_00]: and that just completely changed the dynamic
[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_00]: between the two of you in a positive way.
[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just simple.
[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just simple as telling your friend,
[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: your bro, I love you, man.
[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be like, you know what man?
[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I love you too, man.
[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, then you upgraded.
[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Now you love each other officially
[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: and then that love is public.
[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You set it out loud.
[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_01]: It's very scary.
[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Very scary, especially for men.
[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_01]: Just to throw that love word around, you know?
[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_01]: But we do love each other, man.
[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Say it.
[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: So say it.
[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I think also with like, with Barlow,
[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like, yeah, we've been called friends
[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but you know, business partners
[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: and we've been on the road
[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and all that kind of thing
[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and now we have a lot of downtime.
[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like,
[00:42:27] [SPEAKER_01]: also too, can we be friends?
[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It also kind of says like,
[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I've also messed up.
[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot of,
[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_01]: that you got to point the finger back
[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: or two before you pointed others.
[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_01]: You know what, what have you done?
[00:42:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's probably, it's like, well,
[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_01]: you're also this guy that doesn't put up
[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_01]: this shit in that shit.
[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And that person needs the kind of person that needs to put up with that because that's who they are.
[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Now if you don't take the time to acknowledge that,
[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, then you were in the wrong mood.
[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can't,
[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: you kind of assume that,
[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, because someone was bit by a dog
[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_01]: when they were seven,
[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_01]: that now they're there,
[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: they shouldn't be scared of dogs anymore
[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_01]: because they're in adult.
[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Trauma work from their own ways,
[00:43:07] [SPEAKER_01]: social conditioning, family upbringing,
[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: all of that makes us unique people
[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_01]: that have special needs.
[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as you're able to identify that,
[00:43:14] [SPEAKER_01]: who needs what and respect those boundaries,
[00:43:17] [SPEAKER_01]: then they'll respect yours.
[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what being in front is about.
[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Respect any other boundaries that are free each other.
[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, oh, this is really me,
[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and I have to do it.
[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I really need food.
[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_01]: If you can give it to me, man, I love you, bro.
[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so we just do that for each other.
[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Something that you're kind of getting at
[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_00]: in an interesting way, something that I've
[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_00]: think a lot about,
[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the way in which,
[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_00]: like in therapy they call it core beliefs.
[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And the way in which the last four years
[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_00]: have challenged core beliefs,
[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_00]: but also an important part of getting older
[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_00]: and maturing and just living in the world
[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_00]: is re-examining some of these beliefs
[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that you've always taken for granted,
[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_00]: including like whether or not two men
[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_00]: can tell each other that they love one another.
[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Core beliefs.
[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Core beliefs.
[00:44:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Some of the core beliefs pass 2020
[00:44:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and the core of the core is a lot of things
[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_01]: I think about this and I work,
[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_01]: this has been my homework to make,
[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to kind of batman a happier place for me to live in.
[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Because all those in the batman
[00:44:19] [SPEAKER_01]: we think about quitting every like every two months.
[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about this with my guy,
[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_01]: as she was a keyboard player, Quincy.
[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_01]: He says, man, every three months
[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I just think about quitting musicals together.
[00:44:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, wow, bro,
[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: I think about quitting the bat every three months
[00:44:33] [SPEAKER_01]: for the last sixteen years.
[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like that.
[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_01]: It's super like that.
[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And then some profound moment will happen
[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and it inspires you or your family's they do.
[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Or someone like man to cry and like,
[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_01]: your music helps me my life.
[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I was in a suicidal and I got your album
[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and it made sense to me and now I have this job here.
[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I have this.
[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a kid.
[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: My kids named after one of your songs.
[00:44:56] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're just like,
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, wow, what journey are we on right now?
[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't have any of this.
[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We were just playing songs, you know?
[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_01]: So now you built this thing, you know?
[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But some core value is man.
[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: So when you have this positive effect
[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_01]: out in the world, just like man,
[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: let me make a positive effect on myself too then.
[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_01]: One is being responsible for the energy
[00:45:16] [SPEAKER_01]: you bring to a space.
[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Is there's tension?
[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Did you bring that tension?
[00:45:21] Maybe.
[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you brought it.
[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: So check your own energy
[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_01]: before you start blaming other people for stuff.
[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Number two, man.
[00:45:29] [SPEAKER_01]: The only ego in the room
[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_01]: should be the ego of songs.
[00:45:33] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: The song has big ego, man.
[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_01]: And needs everyone's attention.
[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_01]: You got to fold your up to the song
[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_01]: to make the song live.
[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_01]: So the only ego is out of the songs.
[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_01]: So check yours at the door.
[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: The other one, like I was saying,
[00:45:46] [SPEAKER_01]: is there's no democracy in there's only a voice
[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and an artistic voice.
[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you can align yourself
[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_01]: and agree with that voice
[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_01]: then you're going to go a lot further.
[00:45:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Another one, yeah, core value.
[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're not going to get to spotlight.
[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_01]: Your spotlight is not getting to spotlight.
[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: That's your spotlight.
[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't get any attention
[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I usually be like, that's dope.
[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_01]: You're doing your role and you're not doing anything
[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_01]: like you're grooving
[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the show is going great
[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: and everybody in your band will respect you.
[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_01]: For playing good, you know?
[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, like, like,
[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: say thank you
[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and say great job.
[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when it actually is something,
[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: we all need validation.
[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:46:26] [SPEAKER_01]: We all need validation.
[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Whether for our songs,
[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:46:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like, if it's coming from a heart,
[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you know?
[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know?
[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_01]: At least acknowledge that.
[00:46:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Like, amen.
[00:46:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel that that song is coming for your heart.
[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That's dope, man.
[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like the song,
[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but I like your drive behind
[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_01]: behind putting it
[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_01]: at the night respected.
[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm down with you.
[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I believe in you.
[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: What do you need me to do
[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: to help make your dream come true?
[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Those types of things, man.
[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_01]: That's life, man.
[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: That's life.
[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And we're figuring it out in a band setting.
[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Especially after having kids, you know?
[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to raise your kids
[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: in a certain way.
[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So you don't want to be the same asshole.
[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You want to take some of those things away
[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_01]: from your own formula.
[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's challenging because now you have a kid
[00:47:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and you don't want to impose that on them as well.
[00:47:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So then you really have to do it in real life.
[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And it takes up sometimes years
[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_01]: to get rid of a quality
[00:47:14] [SPEAKER_01]: that you have.
[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_01]: You're in addiction, you know?
[00:47:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Or how bit you are thing?
[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Or automatic response on something, you know?
[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just like,
[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the light has to flicker,
[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: but you have to feed the light.
[00:47:25] [SPEAKER_01]: It's an exercise.
[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_01]: All these core values are exercises.
[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_01]: If you stop doing them,
[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_01]: they all disappear.
[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And you're back to just square one.
[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And it hurts to get back on that,
[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_01]: on that movement of trust and sincerity.
[00:47:38] [SPEAKER_01]: And like, lightness.
[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:47:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's hard to get back on there.
[00:47:41] [SPEAKER_01]: It's too much pride again the way.
[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And two, I think we're busy.
[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: We're busy.
[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's always busy.
[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have time for that.
[00:47:47] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm busy.
[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't talk.
[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Call them right now.
[00:47:50] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm busy.
[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to affect my night.
[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to go to sleep.
[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I have to be theator tomorrow.
[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't show.
[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to see them next.
[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't call them.
[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't talk about these issues.
[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_01]: There's always something.
[00:47:59] [SPEAKER_01]: So, if at it, if ever you want some change,
[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to always feel some discomfort.
[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a very comfortable place.
[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Discomfort.
[00:48:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Shep you the new comfort.
